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Postby James S » Dec 9, 2005 @ 10:00pm

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Postby Maf54 » Dec 9, 2005 @ 11:05pm

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Postby Andy » Dec 10, 2005 @ 1:54am

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Postby Jaybot » Dec 10, 2005 @ 9:38am

Nah, morning after pills (which is basically a supershot dosage of a regular pill) costs about 80-100 bucks. From your economic standpoint, that's completely ludicrous to be doing that everytime you fuck.

And yeah, don't bring the whole how much is a life worth thing, becuase thats where the 'when is a life a life' argument starts. Which isn't what we were doing.

But the psychological and emotional damage is a very important and valid point. There have been many studies that verify that fact. Which makes abortions far from a 'trivial' procedure.
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Postby James S » Dec 10, 2005 @ 4:45pm

The value of life is not just about the child, but about the lives of the people that partake in abortion.
There are people out there, like Andy, that like abortion because they see it as making them "free" from the responsibilities of their actions and the constructs of society. By becoming free from society they lose everything that makes them human, such as values, character, and society itself. It devalues his own life because it claims that he is nothing more than the sum total of the imperatives of his instincts and biological impulses. It devalues the life of his partner by saying that she is nothing more than a warm place to put it. And it devalues society by claiming that the entire structure of humanness is without worth because of his desire to leave behind its responsibilities because it claims that only he is important in society - not his partner, not anyone else, and not the 'confining' society and its responsibilities itself - which is counter to the nature of society, and because it derides the value of each human being individually within the collective society.

You may not see it as murder, but it has the same net result because murder devalues human life and society in the same ways.

So, as you can tell, I don't have a clue why an argument about abortion should not include the value of human life. To say "we're not arguing that" is a sure copout.

I'm far from a fundy, by the way. I believe in the maximum amount of social liberities possible that will still allow for a cohesive and defined societal structure. I'm even in a weird way pro-choice in a wider sense, even though I find things such as abortion to be despicable.
It's funny, because fundamentalists usually are blamed for having a myopic or blinding focus on themselves and not being able to see the broader picture. But I, the only person arguing about the net effect of an act on society, am being called a fundy. Maybe it's time for some introspection, guys.

And Andy, it's the "Oxford of the South".
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Postby refractor » Dec 10, 2005 @ 5:31pm

That's a nice straw man you built there.
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Postby Andy » Dec 10, 2005 @ 7:43pm

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Postby Caesar » Dec 10, 2005 @ 8:53pm

Organic Superlube? Oh, it's great stuff, great stuff. You really have to keep an eye on it, though--it'll try and slide away from you the first chance it gets.
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Postby James S » Dec 10, 2005 @ 9:54pm

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Postby Andy » Dec 10, 2005 @ 10:23pm

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Postby sandmann » Dec 10, 2005 @ 11:18pm

The fates lead him who will;
Him who won't, they drag.

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Postby Maf54 » Dec 11, 2005 @ 12:35am

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Postby Caesar » Dec 11, 2005 @ 2:00am

Organic Superlube? Oh, it's great stuff, great stuff. You really have to keep an eye on it, though--it'll try and slide away from you the first chance it gets.
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Postby James S » Dec 11, 2005 @ 8:14pm

Andy, why is abortion not murder? What is it?
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Postby chuck » Dec 11, 2005 @ 11:17pm

If you want to call abortion murder then please stop eating all meat. Eating a steak is much worse than an early abortion. Even if we birthed the baby and then konked it on the head, it wouldn't be any worse than slaughtering animals. They're intellectually equivalent. That said, I'm vegetarian and pro-choice, hmm...
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