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Yet another reason why firefox sucks


Yet another reason why firefox sucks

Postby Bluetrane » Jun 12, 2006 @ 4:43pm

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Postby David Horn » Jun 12, 2006 @ 5:37pm

Crosswind technique: "Using your peripheral vision, react to body movements, gasps, groans, and shouts from the other side of the cockpit, and always remember that it's better to be lucky than good."
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Postby James S » Jun 12, 2006 @ 7:50pm

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Postby Bluetrane » Jun 12, 2006 @ 10:36pm

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Postby Andy » Jun 13, 2006 @ 3:48am

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Postby Bluetrane » Jun 13, 2006 @ 5:06am

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Postby Andy » Jun 13, 2006 @ 6:16am

The point is that you've presented memory usage in an entirely useless and misleading way. You've identified that firefox uses lots of memory. Congratulations. Did you try to account for this memory usage? Nope.

It doesn't take much effort to realize that FireFox's increased memory footprint is mostly a result of a more aggressive caching policy. And that the cache has a fixed size (see: "about: cache" in FF). If you really want, I believe you can cut down on that memory usage. Although, I don't know why you're worried about less than 64 MB of memory on a modern system.

Take the fixed-cost cache out of the equation and you'll see that FireFox and IE have similar per-page memory usage. Your presentation masks this fact. Rather than reporting the memory usage with 8 tabs in FireFox, you just say "if i had 8 open pages like I did with IE (or 8 tabs) i shudder to think what the memory consumption would have been". In case you were wondering, it'll be about the same as IE plus the cache size.

I guess it's up to you whether or not you think having correct HTML is important. It'd be fairly trivial to make your site compliant. Nonetheless, your implication that FireFox has an inferior rendering engine is questionable at best. If given the opportunity to drop support for either IE or FireFox, I think most web developers would pick IE.

I don't know if this is your site (), but it doesn't display correctly on FireFox. The red box and text for the right menu is all messed up. It looks like the site relies on a fixed size font. Which is a design no-no. The Oxacah site also deforms poorly with large text, but it does remain readable.
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Postby sponge » Jun 13, 2006 @ 6:17am

Trying to argue FireFox isn't a memory hog is like trying to argue James doesn't wear lime green shirts. I've got all caching that I can manage to disabled. If it's doing other caching, you sure can't tell if it's doing much from the performance. I still get dismal memory usage.

MSHTML is loaded at startup, yes, hence the fact that IE is quite a bit lighter. Even taking that into account, trying to imply that the MSHTML components is taking up 30MB when you can get XP in sub 100MB RAM usage, and Win98 even lower is far-fetched at best.

If you really want a lightweight browser, K-Meleon is the point.

As for compatibility, I've ran into my share of problems with XHTML Strict compliant pages in Firefox. At least with IE I *know* what is broken most of the time, and is well documented. With FireFox, who the hell knows, especially with all the different versions.

Don't even get me started on Safari.
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Postby Andy » Jun 13, 2006 @ 6:28am

Hahahaha, are you seriously complaining about "all the different versions" of FireFox? I admit I don't do much web development, but I've had no such problem. Between IE5, IE5-Mac, and IE6 alone, you have to abuse differences in their CSS parsers just to do basic stuff. Who knows what kludges the latest IE ruined.

And I agree that FireFox is a memory hog, but it's a mostly fixed cost relative to IE. That's a small price to pay for FF's superior usability (via extensions).
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Postby David Horn » Jun 13, 2006 @ 10:05am

Crosswind technique: "Using your peripheral vision, react to body movements, gasps, groans, and shouts from the other side of the cockpit, and always remember that it's better to be lucky than good."
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Postby Bluetrane » Jun 13, 2006 @ 6:35pm

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Postby sponge » Jun 13, 2006 @ 11:54pm

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Postby Andy » Jun 14, 2006 @ 12:34am

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Postby David Horn » Jun 14, 2006 @ 12:46am

Crosswind technique: "Using your peripheral vision, react to body movements, gasps, groans, and shouts from the other side of the cockpit, and always remember that it's better to be lucky than good."
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Postby David Horn » Jun 14, 2006 @ 12:47am

Crosswind technique: "Using your peripheral vision, react to body movements, gasps, groans, and shouts from the other side of the cockpit, and always remember that it's better to be lucky than good."
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