Abortion

[refractor]

[damian]

[James S]

I understand why they say contraceptives and other birth control is sinful. But it is most definitely the lesser of the two options, and the third: abstinence, is popular with about 5% of the teenage population (I did an anonymous study in bio class. Apparently 30% were still virgins (at 18/19 age), and many of those were virgins due to their belief in abstinence whether for religious or health (STD) reasons). I'd much rather tell someone to use a condom then to tell them that abortion is an option at all. I do believe that life begins at conception. I personally don't understand why anyone wouldn't. The baby is going to be a baby in 9 months, unless you do something to halt that progression.

I'd much rather everyone practice abstinence and simply not get pregnant if they don't want a kid, but (atleast on this topic) I'm slightly realistic and understand first hand that abstinence is THE MOST difficult form of birth control to keep. So I know that it won't work for everyone and thus teaching other forms of birth control is necessary. (Birth control is preventive, abortion is not birth control.)

I'm against abortion, but I'd rather the baby never have to experience such a horrible life as it probably will if it's unloved.
In my opinion Catholics and Protestants, Christians, should take up this view because it is my belief that God saves these babies, and this belief is backed by scripture.

[David Horn]

[David Horn]

[James S]

[Paul]

[James S]

Yes, well. That's how things usually go. There are quite a number of very liberal Catholics, which end up being regular Protestants. It's a mixed up world of semantics.

[SiGen]

yup yup, im catholic and im against abortion, in main topic.
about paul's family.... i would call it "soft" catholic people, usually where i live, you and your family would be burned (just kidding)
Catholic people here are the most trustable and ence the people with high moral ratings, hard to see a catholic which had had sex with his girlfriend before the wedding. actually, talks about sex and inpurity are always evaded by catholics, at least what i call true catholics. Of course that "true catholics" are against gays and lesbians, masturbation, use of condoms and sex with animals, just as simple because it is against man's nature.
The sex was made for procreation (if we would feel pain by making sex, we wouldnt do that, right? thats why by nature we feel pleasure), the sex is the way, the end is the reproduction. People who think that the sex and pleasure is the end are wrong. sorry paul, but you are wrong, and theoretically you arent even catholic, i would call it pagan.

[James S]

No, Paul isn't Pagan, not even Atheisitic. He's Gnostic, I think. That's what I've deduced from the things he's said on the subject.

But God gave us sexual intercourse for pleasure, not to reproduce. It's when we messed up and ate that stinkin' apple that he made child birth painful. We had sex before sin, and it wasn't to reproduce, either. Reproduction came after sin. But God gave us the pleasurable experience of making love to be shared only between a married couple. Premarital sex isn't what was intended, and it really does mess things up in the end, atleast from my analysis of the pros and cons. I've decided that I can wait for the pros until I'm married, that way there are no cons at all.

I understand why some say condoms, and especially contraceptives, are wrong, but that's not the problem people should be focusing on. They should be focusing on teaching their kids the values in waiting. Instant gradification is how the majority of people in wealthy countries (US, UK, France, Germany) were raised. I know I'm teaching my kids that they can wait to be rewarded. When my kid does something good or right then I'm not going to run and get him ice cream that second, I'm going to tell him that I'll take him to the ice cream shop after school the next afternoon. Waiting for the rewards and the pleasures in life make them that much more pleasurable. If you work hard and wait until you've earned the right to the pleasurable things in life then they're so much better, and don't come with any strings attached. But if you go out and finance a car then you're paying the monthly payment long after the car has broken down. If you have premarital sex then you have to deal with STDs, unwanted pregnancies, the possibility of abortion, the stigma from your peers, family, and society in some cases, and now you're pretty much attached to that girl because she's not gonna be happy if you dump her. If you wait until marriage, none of that is a concern, none of those potential problems exist. If you save up to buy a car then you feel gradified that you were able to work and save enough to buy it. That car becomes an asset instead of a liability. You own it, instead of making payments on it above and beyond repair costs and everything else, long after it's a junker.

[Paul]

[damian]

[refractor]