Major Terrorist Attack on USA

[Paul]

i didnt say only yanks were killed i said they only attacked america, not one big attack-all-countries-at-the-same-time job.

[Paul]

also i never said we are safe from terrorism, i said the ARABS wouldnt be getting us. sure, we have terorists trying to kill us everyday but the majority are irish.

[RICoder]

Saying that Terrorists (IRA or otherwise) are insane, cowards, stupid, et al. is to underestimate them, and not a good idea.<br><br>I agree with whomever said that it is a 'yank' thing.  This really is an America v. Islam Fundamentalists.  I know others died, but this is a US problem, with US issues.  I am kinda sick of hearing everyone else whining.  I think the US, for once, deserves a little time in the limelite to cry and exact retribution...we so rarely take it.<br><br>And, uh, for the record cruise missles NEVER worked.  That was a f'ing joke.  Be happy that sh1t-for-brained-draft-dodging-mother-f'er-scum-bag Clinton is not in office right now.  That pussy would be getting us killed.  It was my nightmare that something like this would happen under his watch...phew.  It coulda been worse.

[Jaybot]

I just thought this was rather amusing <br><br>

[Paul]

yeah who are they calling cowardly? they gave their lives for their cause... or do they mean osama is a coward for hiding?

[Luciano U. Werner]

No, RICoder, you're mistaken. Because of this mess I just payed 40% more on a second power source for my iPAQ. It affects everybody, directly or indirectly.<br>If you claim 100% rights to mourning and being angry, its fine with me. After all, it wasn't my turf that got hit. But whatever the US does will bring consequences to the whole world. I don't expect to be heard, but the issue has my intrest in it indeed.

[Paul]

huh? what, did you say something?

[randall]

he said we're coming to bomb your house, Paul.

[Luciano U. Werner]

BTW, the reason why terrorist are so dangerous is because they are insane (or fearless or morons or true believers - consider them what you want). They're not predictable as a soldier would be.

[RICoder]

Luci (you know I dig you brother, but we are gonna debate now, don't take it personal).<br><br>1) I know it will affect everyone, but I don't care.  See, the US is always fighting the gentleman's war.  I don't want to this time.  5000+ people are DEAD on US territory, and people are whining about price increases.  A firebomb hit the PENTAGON, and I have to hear about a few arab-americans that don't feel safe.  Political correctness makes us weak.<br><br>2) Labling them 'insane', et al, is a cheap way out.  They are not.  They fight differently, they plan differently, they are most certainly NOT conventional.  But insane, no.  By order of 'proof' I submit that an insane person would not be able to plan such an attack, or even, for that matter, be involved in pulling it off.  The IRA is a great example.  These dudes trained with the KGB in the Baqauh valley, Lebenon.  You think they are insane?  Quite the contrary, they are highly intelligent, motivated individuals.

[James]

RICoder:<br><br>Other countries should be involved in this war.  This is the reason for forming alliances and I am happy to see them working the way they should.  <br><br>As to the removing the WTC from games and movies, there is a rather practicle reason.  Yes, they are trying to be "sensitive."  When people see the towers as they once stood, they are struck with sadness, fear, anger, ect.  Sony (in the case of Spiderman) does not want to envoke these reactions, particularly when they spend millions to entertain.  Who would want the background to detract from the movie?  In my view, they are simply being practical.<br><br>James

[Paul]

people can be so stupid, cant they.

[RICoder]

I never said I didn't want other countries involved.  What I don't want, is other countries imposing their motives on us.  It is a time to choose sides, so all those who want to hop over to the US side are welcome, everyone else should probably start praying.  However, if other countries hop on over, they should be aware that the ONLY motive that matters is that of the US.  I don't want, say Russia, to be on our side and then say we can't do this or that, because it bothers them.  This, in fact, is why the US is not involving the UN.

[Luciano U. Werner]

RIC, we're debating as cultered persons, so no problem at all (and I like inteligent deabtes). So let the games beggin:<br><br>1) I beg to differ. I don't want to get in the merit of the political reasons, but the US never played a gentlemen's game in the Middle East. S. Hussein and Ben Laben are spin offs of american politics in those parts. To win a "cultural" war with the defunct USSR about who owned the world, the US financed the rebels in Afghanistan. The Taliban and its minions (like our favorite towel-head terrorist, Ben Laben) came from or at least started out because of US support.<br>Saddam was used to fight (or better, to stand-off) Iran, after the religious revolution that threw out the Xa Rezha Pahlevi (how the heck do you spell that?) back in the 70s.<br>I'm sorry, but that isn't a gentlemen's game in my book. The US never took Iran or the USSR directly. As I said, it's no use in us discussing here why this happened. In anyway this justifies what happend to the US, but this whole situation started before most of us were born.<br><br>2) Ok, maybe "insane" can't be applied to somebody so smart, if you look at it by that angle. But how do you label somebody with the will to take his own life and of innocent women and children to make his point? As a professional soldier (or ex-), I'm sure you have very strong moral fealings against this. I only served in the Medical Corps, and as a doctor it disgusts me to know that a innocent life of a child was taken to make somebody else's point. I just can't accept that kind of logic as coherent, and if it's not what a normal person would do, this individual would be labled as insane.<br><br>3) Finally, I don't know who started all this shit in the first place. Maybe it goes back to 1500s. Nobody can say for sure. The fact is, every democratic nation in the world should make a stand against this.<br>Brazil doesn't have the technology, the manpower and more importantly the financial means to "get her hands red", but at least we can give support, and so we did. It is our problem too, since we do have internal problems like every other country. It will affect heavly our economy, and this means more hunger in the lower classes. Most of you can't imagine how, but every country in development is in more ways then you can imagine intrested in what the US does or doesn't do. Many thousands in the whole world will die of hunger if the shit hits the fan for the US. I'm sparring you of lecturing about terrorism per se, because it's obvious why it should be delt with.<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I don't have nothing against the US, by the contrary. I learned to write in English before I did in Portugues, and I spended my whole childhood in East Lansing, Michigan. But I have to be fare. I think the mf that did this should be hanged by the balls as an example, and I'm sure the US has the muscle and brains to do it. But, more things will have to change so that this never happens again.<br>You see, it's not only about Compaq parts getting more expensive around the world. It has many more dire complications.

[randall]

Yeah, I can understand how a scene depicting the Twin Towers in a movie will affect people.<br><br>I was deeply saddened, when I was in the NewYork NewYork Casino in Las Vegas (an asounding structure I must say). All the framed photos of Manhattan featured the WTC - images that have been hanging in those halls since the opening day of the casino.<br><br>I, for one, am glad they were not removed to "spare" my emotions.