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Scientific Study on Effect of Religion on Health


Postby damian » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:27pm

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Postby damian » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:33pm

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Postby James S » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:39pm

LoserBot, plutionium is not found anywhere in the world. It is a man made element created in our particle accelerators. I don't understand how anyone could mine plutionium anywhere.

KillBot, I am spelling your name correctly. KillBot, Killbot, Killboy...

SiGen, Did you not read my last post at all? Women simply weren't mentioned during that day and age. The only time that women are mentioned by Jesus is the time when a woman, a disciple of Jesus, washed Jesus with funeral oil a day before his death, and when Mary, a disciple of Jesus, was the first one to find Jesus' tomb empty. These were both VERY significant jobs in the Jewish Aramaic custom. They're not for anyone to do, only people that are close to the deceased. It is stated many times that women are those that give life. They're quite the important gender, according the to Bible. I'm interpretting everything the Bible says, you're the one that isn't. You're inferring, which is quite incredibly different in that it uses no deductive skills.

And I'm pretty sure that your little piece of unleven bread and wine don't turn into Jesus Christ's actual skin and blood. Jesus said, "take, eat, this is my body," and "take, drink, this is my blood, which has been given to you and to many for the forgiveness of sins. Do this in rememberance of me." That is the definition of a metaphor. Personally I'd be very sickly if it did turn into his actual skin and blood. Do you see a piece of skin and blood if you vomit after taking it? What about in your waste? Jesus said, 'Fools, do you still not understand? What goes into your mouth does not make you unclean, for you know that it goes through and out your body again. It is what comes out of you mouth, what you say, that makes you clean.' It is fallacious to believe that Communion will make you clean, and that it actually turns into his body and blood, for Jesus directly stated that that is not the case! Christianity is not an actions-based religion of salvation. There is nothing that we can do to become clean, Jesus says this several times. We don't take communion and become clean, we don't repent and become clean, it is only the forgiveness given to use by Jesus that makes us clean, and there is nothing that we can do to make Jesus give us that cleansing, and nothing we can do to get it on our own.
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Postby James S » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:45pm

I'm sorry Killbot, but I don't see what the problem is. After all, you're spelling my name incorrectly. First of all, it's James, second, only the first letter is capitalized, no other.
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Postby damian » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:47pm

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Postby nova12992 » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:47pm

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Postby SiGen » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:48pm

im not calling him stupid, but i dont like people who doesnt know why they are there, the education he recieved wasnt enough to let him know why women shouldnt be priests. Just like him, i've seen some that think priests should be able to marry,.. and there after whats next? priests should be able to go to a nudist beach? :P

is the doubt (made by ignorance) that make them weak, and it is there, those weak spaces where the devil attacks, and sometimes make them do idiot things.
Like your case Damian, if you seen him having doubts about his own faith (like thinking women should be able to be priests) and what he believes, the main thing that people will think is that the religion he belongs to isnt concrete. then people will start to doubt about him also, and then what we have? protestants... :|
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Postby damian » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:52pm

SiGen, he's not doubting his own faith. Nowhere in the bible does it say about women, and the 12-apostole thing doesn't really say much. Guess what? They were all from Israel... doesn't that mean Mexicans can't be Catholics?
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Postby James S » Apr 24, 2003 @ 8:54pm

SiGen, Priests should marry. What's wrong with marriage? And about going to a nudist beach, there is nothing wrong with that. Temptation is how our faith is tested and refined and strengthened. Without temptation we become complacent and weak. I'm strengthening my convictions by being tempted and overcoming those temptations. How can you become strong in faith if you never exercise, just like becoming physicially strong you must exercise. I'm not going to stand for having a coach that is spiritually weak, I want one that has overcome the obstacles that I WILL face. What can some shut in tell me about life? How can a priest in a room with no windows tell me what path to follow?

Killbot, no deal. It's "James" Only the first letter is capitalized, the rest are lowercase. Only when you refer to me as James will I refer to you as KILLBOT.
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Postby James S » Apr 24, 2003 @ 9:33pm

Yes, in fact most of the 12 apostles were married. Paul had a biological son named Timothy, and speaks several times about his wife. There are two entire books in the New Testament names First and Second Timothy. Second Timothy chapter one verse two: "To Timothy, my dear son:
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Son."

First Corinthians 9:5 "Don't we [the apostles] have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brother and Cephas?"
So there you have it, the apostles all had wifes that they brought along with them on their ministries, and even James, Jesus' brother had a wife, and Peter (aka Cephas) had a wife that he brought on his ministries as well. How are you going to go about "interpretting" that verse to say that "the first priests" didn't have wives? Or is the Book of Corinthians not in your Apocrypha Bible?

I'm not hating anything, the Catholic faith is the one that condemns everything from wives to temptation. Temptation is not to be feared, but revered. There is no stopping temptation, it is how we react to the temptation that is what matters.

We cannot avoid temptation, either. Temptation finds us no matter how hard we try to avoid it, just like in Tolkien's stories. The only thing we can do is be sure we have a brother in Christ like Samwise Gamgies, or Christ Himself, around to make sure we don't put on the Ring.

And if the Catholic faith isn't oppressive then why did the Protestants feel they needed to flee Europe to America in order to feel safe in practicing their faith, what the Bible ACTUALLY says?
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