The Fate of the Union

[sandmann]

[James S]

Ugh... war is not wrong, but it's not something you jump into. Whatever, all I care about is the address that I missed. Did anyone watch it, does anyone really know what's happening? I was out of town today.

[Ainvar]

been away a few days and see what happens. Sandman I did a typo like so many on this board have done in the past. I am not in school anymore have not been for over 7 years. I am in the corporate world working and making a name for myself.

Other than that I have said what I wanted to say and I am not going to fuel the stupidity that comes out of mooses mouth anymore on this. Thats right dumbass I will use the freedom of speech cause I can and will. You do not like it, do everyone a favor and shut the hell up. You have so much potential with the mush between your ears but you use it like tissue. You wipe your ass with it and flush. You are not better than anyone else in this world with your concieted ass views. When you make money for yourself and a name then you can preach kid. Until then you are no better than the bums asking for change to me. Just cause you think you are high society cause your rents have money does not make you better than anyone. You play yourself to the world like a jackass and every now and again you come out on top by mistake, do not take that for genius.

As I said before you do not like my views then do not read them. You want to come across and attack me on what I say? I will not feed the troll anymore.

[James S]

LOL! No more feeding the troll? Like a paragraph on naming calling me? Ya, you sure sound like you have been out of school for 7 years ... pre-school.

"I will use the freedom of speech cause I can. [If] you do not like it [...] [then] shut the hell up." HAHAHA! So I'm not allowed my freedom of speech now? You're so stupid. So freedom of speech is only acceptable to defend what you say. I see... I'm sorry, Mr. Jefferson, I was unaware that only you were created equal to yourself and everyone else does not get the same rights.

Oh well. Atleast the 'stupidity that comes out of my mouth,' is related to the discussion, and not a groundless personal attack, consisting of about 13 different similies for what the 'mush between my ears' is.

I never said you couldn't use freedom of speech. I said that it should be used to actually present a point of view, instead of slandering others, which isn't protected under free speech, or protecting a half baked opinion that you enforced so much initially that you'd look like a fool if you admitted that it wasn't fully conceived (and none of your posts since have provided any backing for your initial argument, except the ambiguous <redneckslang> "I have the right to say wuteva' the HELL I want to, boy.")

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I completely agreed with just about everything in thet State of the Union Address. I say "just about" because I didn't listen to all of it, so I don't want to agree to something that I might not have heard. But all of it sounded very good and proper. Level headed, well thought out... except for a few choice of words, such as 'If Iraq does not disarm we will lead a coalition...' I thought that "lead" a coalitiion was a little off. The UN is the coalition he should be speaking of, and we don't lead it. That sounded tyrannical. "We will initiate a coalition," "We will fuel a coalition." That might have sounded a little less ... Saddam-ish in nature. But it was pretty good. February 5th is the new date to remember in which the US asks the UN for something or other.

[com]

How is war not wrong, moosemaster, do you think the world need to be cleansed of sinners.

[James S]

I thought the "in certain occasions, such as when a psycho dictator might have weapons of mass destruction" wasn't needed after that phrase. Sorry, com.

[sandmann]

Ainvar, if that's all you have to contribute to an otherwise educated discussion, then I'd be happy to show you the way out. Your argument praising your own views as glorious freedom of speech while downplaying Moose's as inconsequential babble of the upper class was not convincing.

I too saw the State of the Union, it was a great speech. I really enjoyed the segment on African AIDS, I thought that was a nice touch. Also, the segment on addiction and children of prisoners was a great way to show his human-ness.

Moose, as for us "leading" a coalition, we DO lead a coalition. Iraq has been breaking UN regulations for years, and they have done absolutely nothing about it. Now they are suddenly sending in inspectors and paying all this attention to the problem. Why? Because America woke up and realized how big of a problem Iraq really was. Because of America, and almost entirely because of America, the UN's biggest issue right now is Iraq. We took the initiative, and other countries (England, Israel, etc.) have hopped on the bandwagon. I think that saying the US "will lead" this coalition is entirely the right way of phrasing it.

Did anyone see the Democratic "response" to the State of the Union? It was given by Gary Locke, governor of Washington State. The speech was essentially an attack against Republicans. It named problems in the system, but gave absolutely no Democratic method of rectifying these problems. My favorite two statistics given were (1) how many jobs have been lost in Bush's office and (2) how the top 1% receives more benefist than the bottom 95%. As for (1), maybe Mr. Locke overlooked the fact that there was a major TERRORIST ATTACK during Bush's term? Or maybe he forgot about the Enron and other corporate scandals? Or perhaps it's the major recession caused by international uncertainty? Bush can hardly be blamed for the loss of jobs. As for (2), it's a simple mathematical matter: if the top 1% is taxed more by far and away than the lower 95%, then the relief for the top 1% will outweigh that of the bottom 95%. Makes sense, doesn't it? They say that isn't fair, but is Bush giving dramatically increased benefits to the poor while cutting the relief for the rich into fractions of what it should be fair? I don't think so. Next time you want to respond to a well-written speech presenting problems AND Republican solutions, why don't you try to do a little less attacking and a little more problem-solving.

[James S]

I was just thinking in more of a PC way. You know... kind of harsh. Too Clint Eastwood. That's all.

[edit] Ya, I saw part of that. It was all fluff, I couldn't listen to it. I turned it off pretty quickly.

[sandmann]

He did have a bit too much cowboy in his speech. However I think the take-charge kind of attitude is just, whether Euro-pussies think so or not. We are Iraq's and terrorists' primary targets, we lead the charge.

[James S]

Just, perhaps. Proper at this point in time... we'll see.

[com]

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[ZaG]

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[David Horn]