LG's Religion Thread

[benkenobi0]

I say of course there is life other than here. Maybe not intelligent maybe they are. There are most likely a thousand other ways of communication that we don't know of. How do we know the ppl on the planet zoojklajkld;ajflk;a don't have a different type of radio that doesn't send signals way the heck over here? I heard on the news that there was a planet just far away from the sun to have intelligent life. They said the planet looked just like earth from the hubble telescope (and by just like earth I mean clouds blue water etc...)(I don't know that's what I remember hearing it was quite a while ago I may be wrong...)Or maybe the aliens on zooajdkfdlajl;fa don't have the materials necessary to make a sophisticated device (a coconut radio...)

[sandmann]

"according to the Big Bang"

Blasphemous! You heretic! Burn at the stake!





And about life having not contacted us by now, that's bs, it's not like every other planet would have growth completely parallel to ours (2,000 years till we send out little radio signals that might not even travel farther than our solar system). Maybe their planet will take millions of years to develop. Maybe they already have and already ran out all of their resources (like we will someday) and went extinct. And maybe, this is my theory, is that they are simply more intelligent than us. Well, then why haven't they talked to us yet? And I say, do you talk to beetles? Deer? Their communication is so 'primitive' that we don't even think it's communication really, so we don't bother learning it. What if the aliens watch us as we watch an antfarm? What if they simply have no reason to look for other planets?

We always have the desire to personify aliens, like in Moose's idea that they would a) develop parallel to us b) even be able to communicate via radio waves c) speak our language d) even want to communicate with us in the first place. Your ideas are just plain dumb, Moose, that just because we haven't talked to anyone, they don't speak English, don't use radio waves, or haven't yet actually held a conversation with you, doesn't mean they don't exist.

[James S]

Ya, I remember hearing about that planet. It's blue and has clouds, but so does Neptune. And some moon of Jupiter has liquid water on it.

Like I said, I think if there was intelligent life that we would have been contacted by now, either by visual or radio communication. I really don't think that there's some other dimension of communication that we just don't know about. That's silly, the same rules of physics apply everywhere in the universe! I don't think there is sentient life anywhere else in the universe, personally. There are so many possibilities... we would have been contacted by now, I'm just sure of it.

[sandmann]

Yet another ignorant statement Moose. The same rules of physics definately do not apply throughout the universe. Black holes are just one example. Another is dark energy and dark matter, two really interesting ideas that MUST exist but we know nothing about. (The reason they exist is at the Big Bang, there HAD to have been an equal amount of matter and antimatter, that everything would have cancelled itself out... unless some other force exists). We know very little about our Universe, like it or not.

Also, Jupiter's moon has tons of ice but no actual liquid water. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the clouds on Neptune aren't the same as ours, and there is no actual water... it's just a blue planet.

[benkenobi0]

[James S]

[benkenobi0]

ok, what do they need to send us signals for? or anything far away? Maybe they're just really non-curious or stupid... I mean what if they're primates or something. I don't know I don't really think there're really "smart" aliens near us and maybe the really "smart" ones are a gajillionzillion miles away (if there are even any [edit]Smart ones[/edit...sounded like I meant no aliens]) There are just too many possibilities to really prove me wrong (grrr, thinking about it, or you for that matter) I actually think it really doesn't matter. I don't think in our generation we're ever gonna meet any anyways so there's really no point in discussing this... I dunno...

[TechMage]

I watched a show on Discovery channel a while back called Hyperspace. They showed the size of the known, and I stress known, universe. Then they showed how far our radio waves have traveled in the known universe. It was so pathetic. The distance the radio waves have traveled in the known universe is about the size of an atom's radius compared whole earth's radius.

So there well could be technological alien civilizations out there. But we are so far away that they have not even heard our messages. The earth is a tiny speck compared to the universe. The universe is so frickin vast, andthat's just the known universe. The universe could be so huge that some stars that are really far away, we can't even see, because their light has not made it here yet, or they are so far away that by the time their light would get here, it has been blocked by space dust, black holes, other stars, ect.

The model they showed on that Discovery show was awsome. Millions of spinning galaxies, containing millions of spinning stars, and some of the stars have in addition have spining planets and asteroids.

Then if some of the theories in Quantom Physics are right, like paralell universes, there could be billions, if not an infinate number of universes all containing millions of galaxies. And who's to say that a singularity that caused space, time and matter to exists in this universe didn't happen in some other plane of non-exsistence, creating another universe. Because when this universe was just a singularity, and space and time didn't exist, it was literatly in non-existence, and other singularities could have "exsisted" in this "non-existence" also.

Reality could be so vast, that to explore and understand it, we may have to genetically alter our brains to be more intelegent. Maybe one day what was the human race will be god-like creatures, like the Q in star trek.

[sandmann]

Moose, you're missing my point. Who's to say other races don't communicate exclusively via ESP? Who's to say they aren't just immobile corals stuck to a rock, but with infinitely more intelligence than us? Who's to say they haven't received our messages, and are simply watching us, or are just fucking with us?

You're right, there are an infinite number of possibilities, and an infinite number of languages, communication methods, etc. Our way is not the only way. What if they CAN communicate with light? What if the strange lights in the sky are them flashing morse code at us? What if our radio waves are being sucked into black holes, which they could, before reaching intelligent life? What if, as Techmage said, we haven't reached them yet? We aren't as widespread as you think. There are so many possibilities, it's impossible to think of all of them. I could say why not, what if, and probably for hours. Look at it this way: the universe is massive and is constantly expanding. We are not a billionth of a billionth of a billionth and so on of a part of this universe. We are infinitely small. So why does life only exist on this one planet, this one particularly small planet with water? Who says other races need water or oxygen? Some plants only need sunlight. Some bacteria don't even need oxygen. What's to stop a multi-celled organism to form like that?

PS: Techmage, what's the Q?

PPS: Post 321. Cute.

[benkenobi0]

TechMage, Sandmann--that's what I'm talkin' about guys. Right on.

[Michael Y]

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[Michael Y]

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