Die Commie Pinkos! ........ [creationism v. evolution]

[Maf54]

True, I skimmed his post and didn't take real notice that he said billions. Regardless carbon dating proves the earth is older than the traditional creationist idea.

[The Blur]

I'm probably mistaken but i feel like heard somewhat tht carbon-daring has been proven to be inaccurate on some relatively minor level. Is this so? Ho accurate i carbon-dating?

[jcl945]

Carbon dating is only accurate to some point. There are factors that can affect the decay, and speed it up, which would make it appear to be older. Give the same fossil to a few scientist, and tell them to date the fossil. I guarentee that they will have a huge diference in their findings.

As for the fossils, most were fossilized in a global flood. Which explains why there are so many. Archiologist have found many fossilized trees that are standing up. That can not happen in billions or millions of years. Something quick had to have berried it, and the flood explains this. Christianity is not the only religion that accounts for a global flood. There are many diferent religions that have some account in a global flood. I assume they all just made it up, and they all had the same idea.

[James S]

Carbon dating makes several assumptions:
1) it assumes a value for the amount of carbon in the atmosphere at the suspected time that the fossil was made
2) it assumes the amount of carbon in the fossil at the time that the organism died.

... and something else, I can't remember.

It also assumes that no carbon was added to the fossil between the time that it died and the time it was found. But that's why dating is given in ranges.

They do this by measuring the carbon in the area surrounding the fossil and based on the fossil's size and supposed diet.

Not that it's inaccurate, and don't forget other kinds of radioactive decay datings, either. They're far more accurate and used more often than carbon for these reasons.

[sandmann]

[James S]

[Caesar]

Sandmann, I believe he said to do some research on Christianity.

There was a flood that destroyed all life. It was recorded as a "global" flood because of the actual size of the known world at the time. If you think the world is mesopotamia and Eygpt, then a flood could easily cover that area. There is scientific evidence of a massive flood from the Caspian or Black (I forgot which) sea around the time period that the Biblical flood was supposed to take place. Sumerian culture, Assyrian culture, Babylonian culture, Egyptian culture, Greek culture and Hittite culture all account for a massive flood. All of these cultures have the same general story as well - flood by the gods, man and family build big-ass boat, save themselves and animal life live and start the "world" again.

The general consensus during ancient times was that the earth was flat - the Bible clearly states in many places that the earth is round and orbits the sun, not the other way around. How does that happen?


"It's like looking through a hole in a fence, on the other side of which a donkey walks by. First you see his nose, then the rest of his head, then the body and finally the tail. So you might think to yourself 'the nose causes the tail!' but it's only because you have a limited perception of the 'big picture'."

I got that from another forum - try thinking about it when you are debating the existence of God. I've stated many times that we as humans cannot comprehend God's existence, this I believe goes to further m point. Human logic is "cause and effect," or "true or false," but that is logical only from our limited perspective.

[jcl945]

[sandmann]

Actually, no, you haven't given me your explicitly laid-out "theory." Please do that. So far, all you've done is deny that evolution exists and try to use unconvincing logic to prove that there was a global flood.

As far as the continents being linked together, you're approaching it from the wrong perspective. The current continents didn't "fit" together -- they wouldn't exist as they are for millions of years -- it was one continent that split apart into the current shapes that the continents have assumed.

[edit] Oh, and as far as my theory, I don't stick to it too hard -- I maintain room for new possibilities. But here's what I believe at the moment:

God created the universe with a plan that was set into action -- this plan is evolution. The Bible should not be taken literally in most of its stories and explanations, because it has been proven wrong in many places -- hell, it even contradicts itself. I side with science in believing that the world is a few billion -- well, at least over a few thousand years -- old. I believe that dinosaurs and humans didn't walk the Earth at the same time like many fundamentalist Christians do. I don't believe in the global flood, I don't believe that Noah literally built an ark and carried two of every animal (a logistical nightmare). I think the Bible is 90% allegorical, 5% total fact, and 5% total BS.

I don't buy into organized religion, or the organized Christian church per se; I don't believe that faith is something that should be imposed on others. I'm personally spiritual; I don't think that I have to go to church to establish dialogue with God. I also don't need someone telling me what to think or how to practice my faith. When logic trumps faith, I change; I adapt.

There. I've laid it out. If you have questions, I'll answer them. Now you lay yours out fully.

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[Kzinti]

[vince_mad]

[jcl945]

[Maf54]

[Kzinti]